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the death of fidel castro ignites a new debate over u.s. relations with cuba. today live reports on the celebration in miami. the mourning in havana. and whether donald trump will follow through on his campaign promise to undo efforts by president obama to bring the two nations closer. we'll discuss the breaking news with president-elect trump's new white house chief of staff, reince priebus. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. then we'll ask our sunday panel about the latest on the trump transition, the battle over who he'll choose for secretary of state. dramatic flips on key issues,
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and his blueprint for the first 100 days. plus, house democrat nancy pelosi faces a challenge on her leadership. >> i'm pulling the fire alarm because the house is burning down. >> we'll ask tim ryan why he's running against pelosi. >> when someone challenges you, your supporters turn out. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. the death of fidel castro just as donald trump comes to power raises new questions about relations between the u.s. and cuba. president obama has tried to restore ties between the two countries, but now that is in doubt. in a few minutes, we'll have an exclusive interview with mr. trump's new white house chief of staff, reince priebus. but we start with fox team coverage. james rosen looks back at castro's life and legacy. but first let's go to rick in
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havana. >> we're outside havana, the thriving capital in cuba, and we're here to discuss castro. word broke he actually died at age 90. they erupted in celebration. thousands of exiles poured into the streets outside the world's most famous cuban restaurant, banging pots and pans, singing, honking horns, and celebrating decades of oppression, killing thousands of dissidents, stealing their homes. they boarded small boats for the treacherous 900-mile road to florida. many didn't survive. many of the residents are cuban descent and thousands more keep arriving many year. >> this is bittersweet because we had been expecting this day to bring about liberty for cuba,
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and it hasn't, and all the people that really wanted life for this day are gone. >> it means a lot because at least i think this is the beginning of the end. >> the scene in havana described as hushed. publicly people mourned, privately some expressed hope that castro's death would lead to a more open and prosperous future. the celebration here in little havana is expected to continue long after he is buried. chris? castro's rein in cuba started in 1959 and in more than half a century, 11 u.s. presidents had to contend with him, including one crisis that took the world to the brink of nuclear war. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen assesses castro's complicated legacy. >> liberty restored.
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>> reporter: seizing power in 1959, 32-year-old fidel castro was the very picture of a latin revolutionary, a swaggering military leader. swiftly aligning with social capitalism, he jailed and tortured dissidents. he would survive the u.s.-backed invasion at the bay of pigs and a plot hatched by the intelligence agency. in october 1962, the kennedy administration discovered the soviets had installed nuclear missiles on cuba. dif fused after 13 days, it saw jfk install a naval blockade around the island and come the closest the world had ever seen to a nuclear war. the thorn inside the 11th american enes cuba's economy shrank in half. as the western hemisphere
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sprouted more democracies when his brother took over. still the aged castro scored a victory when president obama ended a half century of estrangement and restored diplomatic relations. fidel, by then rarely seen, remained defiant, railing that cuba hardly needed the united states. while his regime will go down as the most oppressive of modern times, fidel was not without cuban rule. infant mortality rates were among the lowest. relations with cuba will soon become an issue for president-elect trump. joining me now from mar-a-lago, the trump holiday retreat in palm beach is trump's incoming chief of staff, reince priebus. mr. trump took a hard line about barack obama's efforts to
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restore relations with cuba. here he is in the campaign. >> all of the concessions that barack obama has granted the castro regime were done through executive order which means the next president can reverse them, and that i will do unless the castro regime meets our demands. >> but in a statement he issued yesterday about castro's death did not repeat that pledge. so the question, mr. priebus, is does mr. trump intend to follow through on his pledge to roll back mr. obama's opening of relations with cuba? >> yes, he does, chris, and good morning and thanks for having me. i think president-elect trump has been pretty clear that there is nothing wrong with talking to people. he's been willing to talk to anybody, but we've got to have a better deal. we're not going to have a unilateral deal coming from cuba back to the united states without some changes in their
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government. repression, open markets, freedom of religion, political prisoners. these things need to change in order to have open and free relationships, and that's what president-elect trump believes, and that's where he's going to head. talking is fine, but action is something that will be required under president trump. >> so let me make sure i have this clear, because he's calling basically for a revolution in cuba, full political freedom, religious freedom, releasing all the political prisoners. if he doesn't get that, he is going to reverse president obama's executive orders? >> no, i didn't say that, chris. i said that those -- that's the suffering that's happening now in cuba, but i do believe that in order for any sort of deal to take place, president-elect trump is going to be looking for some movement in the right direction in order to have any sort of deal with cuba. it can't just be nothing and then you get total and complete cooperation from the united
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states. there has to be something, and what that something is, chris, is yet to be determined, but i can assure you that he's going to require some movement or some schedule of movement in order to then schedule some kind of relationship with cuba. but without knowing what those things are, there's nothing really more to talk about other than there isn't going to be a one-way relationship from the united states to cuba without some action from the castro administration. >> but just to pin this down, if he doesn't get whatever it is that he wants, would he reverse president obama's opening to cuba? >> absolutely. i mean, he's already said that would be the case. and what that deal is is yet to be determined, but there is going to have to be some movement from cuba in order to have a relationship with the united states, and i think the president-elect has been very clear about that and i'm just restating that position. >> while the president-elect is making progress on naming his team, it seems like something close to open warfare has broken
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out over his deliberations about choosing a secretary of state, especially when it comes down to consideration of mitt romney -- well, before you laugh, let me -- >> open warfare? go ahead, chris. >> let me make my case, then you can make fun of me, particularly in the consideration of mitt romney and rudy giuliani. let me put this on the screen. transition official kellyanne conway tweeted this on thanksgiving: receiving deluge about romney. some warn about romney as secretary of state. >> there is only one way that mitt romney can be considered for a post like that and that is that he repudiates everything he said in that famous salt lake city speech. >> mr. priebus, does mr. trump consider that appropriate for top advisers to lobby him in public about people he's
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choosing? is that the white house you're going to run and that romney must apologize to get the job? >> let me cap this up for you. there are a lot of opinions as far as this topic and many other cabinet positions, but i think what president-elect trump has said is that, as he said the entire campaign, he's going to hire the best people possible. he's going through this process, he's interviewed governor romney, he's talked to the mayor, he's talked to others like general kelly. he's going to be talking to others next week. he's going to make the best decision for the american people. it's not about warfare. there is an opinion about this and it is sort of a team of rivals context if he does go with governor romney, but that should tell americans where president-elect trump's head is, which is a place that will put the best possible place together for all americans, whatever your religion, whatever your opinion
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is, he wants to move forward looking through the windshield and not the rearview mirror, and that's where the president-elect's head is at and i think it's a great place for americans. >> is romney going to have to apologize for the very harsh things he said during the campaign in order to get the job? >> listen, i'm not going to do the play by play, chris, on what's going to be required or where things are at. i think things are moving forward. i think president-elect trump is going to keep talking to the right people and get opinions on what the right decision would be, but ultimately it will be his decision. and i can just assure the american people the fact that he's actually even flirting with the idea of choosing a rival should tell the american people where he's at, which is the best place for everyone in this country. >> let me ask you quickly about another name that's being mentioned for secretary of state, and that's general david petraeus. during the campaign, and you and i well remember this, trump hammered hillary clinton for
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handling confidential information. general petraeus was in that also. >> getting opinions and learning from really smart people as far as what the right decision-making process may be in choosing a secretary of state or any other position is something that smart people do. i don't think anyone could say that david petraeus isn't a very bright, calculated, smart person, and these are the types of conversations that i think the american people would expect of an incoming president that's trying to make the best decisions possible for everyone out there across the country. >> let me turn to another subject. green party presidential candidate jill stein has initiated a vote recount in wisconsin, and she's talking about doing the same in pennsylvania and michigan, and now we hear from the clinton campaign's top lawyer that they are also going to participate in this recount. what is mr. trump's reaction to all of that, especially the
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clinton campaign's participation in this recount? >> well, first of all, president-elect trump won an historic electoral landslide. this is an electoral process, it's not a popular vote process. he had the best performance since ronald reagan in 1984 winning over 2600 counties, nine of 13 battleground states. a historic margin we haven't seen in our party in a long time. that's number one. number two, if it was the popular vote, he would have won the popular vote as well. >> i asked about the recount. >> i got it, and this is ridiculous. this is a fundraising notoriety-driven fraud by someone who won 3,000 votes in wisconsin against trump who won 300,000. we have a scheme that has lost over 3.5 million votes in wisconsin attempting to undo a 28,000 vote lead. it's never going to happen.
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it's a total waste of everybody's time. >> let me just ask, what do you think of the hillary clinton campaign now joining in on the effort? >> well, what i think -- let's just assume that's true. i wonder whether elias is going to back off since on election night hillary clinton said it was time to look to the future, and it was their team that cut a deal with our team that said when the ap called the race, they would call within 15 minutes and concede, which they did. it is a total and complete hypocritical joke that the group of people that thought that they were nervous about president-elect trump not conceding are the people that are conducting recounts in states where we won by over 68,000 votes. i think the american people know this is a waste of everyone's time and money and it's only an effort to divide this country when we need to come together no matter who you are, republican, democrat, race, gender, whatever it is, and look forward to the future of rebuilding this
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country and getting us back on track. that's what president trump is going to do, that's what we want to do, and this is a total and complete distraction and a fraud and something that they should drop. but look, they will waste our time and we will staff up with thousands of people, we will sit there and look through ballots, we will win again for the second time and they will lose again for the second time. our country doesn't need it. >> i want to get into two more quick issues with you. president obama opened -- seemed to open the door to major flips on policy this week in an interview with the "new york times," and i want to put up several of the things he said. he backed off his pledge to a point of a special prosecutor to investigate hillary clinton, says he has, quote, an open mind about pulling out of the paris climate agreement and now he says general mattis who he is considering for secretary of
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defense may have changed his mind on torture. >> he said i was surprised. he said, i never found it to be useful. >> how flexible is mr. trump about the promises he made to the american people in the campaign? >> well, look, it's not a matter of flexibility, i think it's a matter of listening and declaring to the american people that, look -- let -- if i can hit each one of them very quickly, i won't take up a lot of time. on the issue regarding hillary clinton, his point there is he's not seeking methods and ways to persecute and prosecute hillary clinton. but i would also tell you that if the attorney general and the congress find evidence that would indicate that something needs to happen and our attorney general jeff sessions at the doj says something needs to happen, i would suspect that president-elect trump is going to be open to listening to what that is, but ultimately it's going to be the doj's call. number two, as far as this issue
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on climate change, the only thing he was saying after being asked a few questions about it, look, he'll have an open mind about it but he has his default position which most of it is a bunch of bunk, but he'll have an open mind and listen to people. the third thing, as far as general mattis, a person he totally respects, one of the most decorated marines in our nation, he said, look, you would be better off with a pack of cigarettes and a cup of coffee than waterboarding, that was a very impactful statement that people ought to listen to, and that's what president-elect trump is saying. overall, this package should give americans total peace and hope that we've got a person in the white house that is listening to people, that is listening to the smartest people in america and wants to lead our country for all americans. in the meantime, we've got hillary clinton wanting to do a recount over 68,000 votes. this is the contrast, a person
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who wants to look forward, not backwards. that's who you have in president-elect trump. >> mr. priebus, thank you for your time. it's always good to talk to you, sir. >> thank you. up next we'll ask our sunday group what castro's death and donald trump's presidency will mean for future relations with cuba. plus, what do you think? will mr. trump roll back president obama's effort to restore ties with havana? let me know on twitte twitter #foxsunday. i'm just a guy who wants to buy that truck.
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you are looking at the scene in the little havana section of miami last night when cuban americans celebrated the passing of fidel castro. it's time for our sunday group, michael needham for heritage action for america, journalist julie pace, journalist james rosen, editor of a collection of buck's eulogies. i can tell you it's a good read. michael, as i discussed with reince priebus, donald trump took a real hard line in the campaign about reversing president obama's executive orders, find and restore relations with cuba as far as relations and changes that go on with cuba.
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you heard me talking to reince priebus today. how important an issue is this for conservatives? >> i was satisfied with the answer. i think it's an important issue. donald trump has come in and shown there's going to be a different tone from this naive foreign policy we've had the past eight years and has made the world a much more dangerous place than it was. if you heard the tone that he took, placing america on the cuban side of the opposition rather than the oppressors and comparing that with degradation from the left of president obama's statement from the absurd statement from the prime minister of canada to jill stein's tweet, which was just offensive and something you would never imagine anybody in america with a moral compass saying, you show a serious contrast between president-elect trump and a moral seriousness about american foreign policy and what we've had under the obama administration. >> let's go back. two years ago, president obama
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announced he was going to make a number of efforts and two executive orders to restore diplomatic relations and some economic ties with the castro regime. how locked in is that, or can president trump simply reverse it with a stroke of a pen as he says he can? >> almost all of it can be reversed. it was implemented through executive orders. there have been regulatory changes that have been made, so most of it is able to be rolled back. what i think will be most interesting, though, to see will be how trump responds as a businessman. because one thing that is happening is you have enormous u.s. investment from airlines, cruise ship companies, hotel companies, telecom companies that are on the ground in cuba right now. they have long-term investments that they've planned out. do they appeal to trump as a businessman and say, you would want to get on the ground here as well. that is the one piece of this that is real, that is happening, that if he reversed, i think he would face blowback for among the business community. >> and apparently, as a private businessman, he had made some
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entreaties to the cubans to see what was possible there. >> you would wonder if the election would have gone a different way if we were looking at a trump tower going up in havana. >> you did an interesting obituary piece for us at the top of the show. how do you assess his legacy? >> i think historians will guard it almost uniformly as enormously destructive for the cuban people and for the western hemisphere. this is reflected in any number of metrics we might kbp such as gdp or just the caliber of the air quality and the infrastructure in cuba, and even if raul castro were inclined to move swiftly toward liberalizing political freedoms and market freedoms which there is no indication he is that ready to do, it would still take decades before cuba could fully recover from the castro legacy. >> you know, i've learned this from talking to people over the last 24 hours, there are an awful lot of people.
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i don't know how old you were during the cuban missile crisis or whether you were even born yet. take us back to the mome momentousness of that occasion in 1962. >> sure. what you had was president kennedy fresh from this disaster at the bay of pigs -- >> where he tried to overthrow castro. >> yeah. a u.s.-backed invasion of cuba that didn't work and it was poorly executed, confronted with u.s. nuclear missiles 90 miles from our shores, and the security council has been asked about what action he should take. some were arguing for preemptive strikes on the cubans and so forth. kennedy in the end privaquietly diplomacy and was able to withdraw from cuba. >> it was the closest we've ever come to a nuclear war with the soviet union. it was a very frightening
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moment, from someone who has lived through it. no question castro was a brutal dictator, but i think it's also fair to say he was one of the giants, one of the really important figures of the 20th century. how do you think history will judge? >> i think the first point is the one you just made. whether you love him or hate him, you have to admit he is one of the biggest figures of the 20th century. for years he was the answer to the question, who would you like to have dinner with? castro was often the answer. >> you didn't want him to run your country. >> no, a different question there. i think the historical question that will be debated for decades to come is whether he simply became the dictator he supplanted because that's what he was, or was it really the result of american pressure he couldn't find a way around. that's the debate about castro, did he have to be this way or did we make him that way? i think the reality is we'll find out about his brother.
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raul castro has a chance to make some changes. it's not at all clear he wants to do that. >> one of the things that -- clearly, he was in the very center of the stage in the cuban missile crisis, but that was more than a half century ago. why do you think he has continued to be such a source of fascination, certainly in the u.s., and for a large part of the world this half century? >> i think for a couple reasons. he was the last holdout. he was the last communist holdout, really, in many ways. i also think there was a fixation with cass trtro in the cuban community here. he had a voice that you couldn't ignore entirely, and i don't think castro was going to give in. he could have figured out a way in the jimmy carter administration of what happened in the obama administration, and that didn't happen. >> i covered a number of politicians, particularly republicans running for president, would go down to south florida, and i'm sure we
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have all done that, and they would pay their respects and sound the anti-castro alarm to the cuban americans. >> over your shoulder there in congress, there was a bipartisan don't give in to castro constituency that developed, and that held firm for half a century. >> all right, panel, we have to take a break here, but coming up, president-elect trump is filling out his competent. will he choose one of the harshest critics to be secretary of state? plus, what do you think of mitt romney becoming secretary of state? go to twitter @foxsunday and maybe we'll use yours on the air.
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coming up, infighting as president-elect trump considers naming mitt romney as secretary of state. >> i'm still astounded that mitt romney did everything he could to derail donald trump. >> we'll talk about the
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if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. it's my prayer that on this thanksgiving, we begin to heal our divisions and move forward as one country, strengthened by shared purpose and very, very common resolve. >> donald trump talked about putting hillary clinton in jail during the campaign, but now he's calling for unity and focusing on his policy agenda. we're back now with the panel. so president-elect trump has clearly reversed himself on his pledge. you heard there in the second debate to name the second prosecutor and, as he put it, put hillary clinton in jail for her mishandling of classified information. he said he's suffered enough and he wants to move on.
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jerry, what does that tell you about mr. trump's campaign promises, and what does it also say, and i thought reince priebus tried to clear it up today, about his understanding of the justice department? >> first of all, i think trump supporters might be in for disappointment if they took things in the campaign literally. there's been a move back on the rhetoric of climate change, for example, maybe on trade a little softening as well, and i think that's kind of what happens in presidential transitions. you and i have been around long enough to know that bill clinton talked about a tax cut and then it went away. these things happen, but i think the saving grace for donald trump may be that i don't know all the supporters of donald trump took literally what he said in the campaign, so they may not hold him account letter for letter, but there's going to be some softening. >> i thought the "new york times" interview was actually encouraging though. if you go through and it look for his answers for a conservative politician in the
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"new york times," i think he got it right on climate change. he said, we shouldn't accept this on climate change. what are man's role in it and what are the responses if the damage done the economy is done? he said, look, i just got off the phone with bill gates, i got off the phone with tim cook. and i told tim cook the greatest moment of my presidency will be when apple opens a factory here because we'll cut climate change by building factories. the policies, i thought, were very, very encouraging and very good and shows the kind of growth of donald trump into a serious, conservative politician. >> we asked you for questions for the panel and we got a bunch about the issue of -- well, there it is, about trump considering mitt romney for secretary of state.
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james twill tweeted this. how can you consider romney when he called you a phony, a fraud and doesn't agree with you on almost anything? how do you answer mr. dill? >> if mr. trump were indeed committed to mitt romney for secretary of state, and i think that's far from clear as of yet, i think that would speak a certain anonym irksanonymity of and i think he spoke to that by hiring nikki hailey when she wasn't exactly a supporter of donald trump, either. >> if romney decides he wants to go forward with this and trump selects him as secretary of state, romney will be carrying out the trump administration, and i think he needs to make sure he's on his page and not the reverse. >> during the campaign, romney
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said russia was a threat to the united states, and donald trump has sounded a different tone on that. >> this is the deal i made with reince priebus about. consider me old-fashioned, but the idea that the top transition adviser is tweeting out about all the conservative blowback about romney, that's kind of unprecedented. >> and we would be ill-advised to imagine it was simply kellyanne conway doing it all on her own. >> so you think this was trump trying to put out any support for romney? >> i have heard from sources in the trump transition that it was a nudge to romney to withdraw his name. it didn't make donald trump look bad having governor romney come all the way to bedfo bedford-stuyvesant new jersey to be seen with him.
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>> you can use it as policy and also to broaden out the base. this was an unusual campaign where there was a narrow base of support in the republican party. it is a good opportunity to broaden that out, and using some picks, not mitt romney necessarily, but to use some picks to show there is a broader base for the trump presidency than the one who appeared in the campaign is not a bad idea. >> michael, does the thought of mitt romney as secretary of state giff yve you heartburn? >> no, i think he would be a good choice. i think not only is he a good secretary of state, but how do they work as a team will be a big consideration. i think john dalton would be good in that type of role. >> what i find astonishing is the recount. here you had donald trump being asked, frankly by me in the third debate, about whether or not he would accept the results of the election and saying i'll keep you in suspense.
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now we have the green party candidate jill stein initiating a recount in wisconsin, talking about doing the same in michigan and pennsylvania. you can kind of understand it from her point of view. she's trying to raise money and build up her name, but julie, now we have the top lawyer for the clinton campaign saying they're going to participate. what do you make of that? >> there is a small legal aspect of this that i think is understandable, which if there is going to be a recount pushed by the green party, you want to have your campaign represented. i think the trump team will probably end up having a representative there as well to see that their interests are being monitored. i do think it's incumbent on hillary clinton to come out in some way and reiterate what she said the day after the election, which is that she accepted the results and that donald trump was going to be our next president. you're hearing that from the white house. i do not think that you are going to see a groundswell of democratic support for this idea, but hillary clinton needs to do that. if she doesn't, i think we need to be as tough on her as we were on donald trump during the
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campaign when he questioned whether he would accept the results. >> if i may, just to pick up on that, because the white house has been very definitive both from the podium and also a paper statement in the last day or so saying, we accept the election results, we don't believe there was hacking, we think this was the correct result. not the right result, but the correct result. do they have any heartburn about clinton getting involved in this in some way? >> i think if the clinton campaign or other democrats are looking for support from the white house for a recount, they're looking in the wrong direction. this white house is fully focused on the transition to the trump administration, and they know how dangerous it is, same way it would have been if we were talking about trump saying how dangerous it is to be openly questioning the results of the election, to be suggesting that there's hacking when both experts of the clinton campaign i've talked to and the white house and the intelligence agencies have said there is no evidence of that right now. >> michael, t? >> the whole thing is a lot to
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take, the gnashing of the teeth from the northwest. when you want to look at how people across the country feel, like our media establishment, just don't get them. the notion that this is going on, the notion that hillary clinton is joining in, it's just, stop it. donald trump won the election, donald trump is going to be the president of the united states. the left needs to move away from this nonsense. >> it's worth noting that the clinton campaign said we recognize that vote margins of this size have never been overturned in a recount. >> we're talking at the very least in michigan about 10,000 votes -- >> and even more in the other states. nancy pelosi has been the democrats' top leader in the house for 14 years, but now she faces a challenge from a one-time supporter. congressman tim ryan of ohio joins us next. (my hero zero by lemonheads)
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a look outside the beltway at youngstown, ohio, an old steel town that's in the congressional district of our next guest. on wednesday house democrats choose their leaders for the new congress. and nancy pelosi, who has held the top job for 14 years, faces an unexpected challenge from a former supporter who says democrats won't regain the majority with her in charge. congressman tim ryan describes it as david versus goliath, and congressman, welcome to "fox news sunday." >> great to be with you. >> let's begin with the strength of your party in the house, and let's put up some numbers. back in 2009 after barack obama was elected president, democrats held 257 seats to 178 for rec s republicans. but look at the swing. next year democrats will 194 seats to 238 for the gop with a couple races still not finished.
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how much is nancy pelosi to blame for that? >> well, i want to talk more about moving forward, but we lost a significant amount of seats in 2010. didn't really do well in '14. didn't do well in '12, lost again in '14 and only picked up six seats last time. in 2010, the republicans ran $260,000 worth of ads for pelosi and that sank us. the question is, how do we move forward? >> what is it that you think makes her so unappetizing to voters? >> $60,000 in republican ads. i think our failure as a caucus has been not to focus on economic issues. i think we -- i'm supportive of all the issues that we talk about, but you need a robust economic message that covers everybody, and we failed to do that consistently in the last
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number of years. >> i want to talk about the state of the party because i want to look at some other numbers about where house democrats are from now in the country. let's put this map up. more than one-third of the members in the new house, democrats, come from just three states: california, new york and massachusetts. almost two-thirds are from either the west coast or the east coast. are democrats no longer a national party? and if two-thirds of them come from those two coasts, isn't a san francisco liberal like nancy pelosi a shoo-in? >> i don't think so, because even members of the coastal states recognize that we aren't a national party now. we can't claim to be. i think they recognize these are the smartest political figures coming out of their areas. they're members of congress. they've beat elected officials to get to this position. they're the most seated
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political figures in their region. they understand politics, and i think they understand this is about having a new message and a new messenger and being able to reach those folks. the numbers are big, but they know if we don't get the middle of the country, we won't get back the majority. >> here's how pelosi explained the election results about ten days ago. here she is. >> the problem is more with the communication than it was with our policy. so our lives are dedicated to those very people who didn't communicate the successes we had. >> is it just a communication issue? >> it's a big part of it, but we can't keep saying it's a communication issue. we've been saying it's a communication issue since 2010. so we've got to figure out how to have the robust economic message, and we're not communicating. these people left us in droves. they either went for trump or they stayed at home. and without a good message that
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connects deeplily wiy where we' talking about issues they care about, that their family cares about when they sit at the kitchen table, they're never coming back. we need a leader who can go into those congressional districts and be able to pull voters back and energize those voters at the polls. >> you say you're proposing a platform that could reach out to all the congressional districts that went for donald trump in the south, in the rust belt and rural areas. what is it? >> one example, manufacturing. we have not had a robust manufacturing platform. they have a made in america plan, and we need to put that front and center about how we necessitate manufacturing. what does the tax code have to look like, what are the investments we have to make, what does the advanced manufacturing look like -- >> i want to get into that a little bit.
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i've been going with politicians since the 1980s. ronald reagan went to steel factories in pittsburgh and said, we have to bring these back. we haven't brought them back in 16 years. >> the low end manufacturing, we're never going to get back. i think we're lying to our constituents if we say everything that went to china will automatically come back if we just wave a magic wand or have the right policies. but we have a million-dollar steel mill in youngstown making steel pipes, steel tubing. that's an opportunity for us with some more high-end advanced manufacturing, the stuff that really takes a lot, an aerospace. i think the clean energy community is a boon, and i don't think politicians ever tal about clean energy as a way to resuscitate manufacturing. hydraulics, there is a mile of concrete, a sidewalk mile of concrete in a wind turbine. these are things that we make in
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places like youngstown, gary, indiana, milwaukee. if we're going to necessitate manufacturing, a strong move toward a clean economy is not just good for the environment, but it's good for places like i represent to bring those jobs back. >> give nancy pelosi her due. she's been extraordinary in keeping the house democratic caucus unified. let's talk about tim ryan, because critics say you've been in congress 14 years and you haven't left much of a legislative mark. the two big issues you pushed was that you host meditation sessions every week on capitol hill and you got some federal money to teach, yoquote, mindfulness to students. it's not much of a political record, congressman. >> i think capitol hill could use a little mindfulness. i think we could all turn the dial down a little bit and start talking to each other like human
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beings. maybe we would be able to get stuff done, and i think it's important we have a mindset that keeps us aware and focused on the issues at hand. >> do you think it will win trump voters? >> if you look at social and emotional learning which i got the money from, they just did a meta-analysis a few months ago of 3,000 kids who are participating in social learning in the schools. 11% achievement in test scores choesz the achievement gap, 10% increase in good behavior, 10% decrease in anti social behavior, 20% increase in the schools. these are the kinds of things i'm trying to push and promote because i think they work. we can have the same fight we've been having for 30 years, or we can take issues like social and mental learning, for example, in our schools that are based on the latest brain science and close the achievement gap. that's where we should be talking. let me talk about my experience
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real quick. i've been in congress for 14 years. i've been on the appropriations committee where we've been in charge of legislation. i've sat on the armed services committee, i've sat on the education committee, i've sat on the labor health committee, transportation and housing committee. i've been involved in the appropriations process. i sat at the heels of dave oby. i was quiet, i listened, i watched. we did the affordable care act, we did the recovery act, we did the auto rescue. i learned a lot, and i'm ready to put that knowledge now to work for the entire caucus. >> now, the conventional wisdom is maybe you're trying to build your profile, maybe you'll run for governor in two years, but you don't have a chance on beating nancy pelosi on wednesday. in fact, she said two-thirds of the caucus is already signed up to vote. >> those aren't the numbers we have. there is a lot of the consternation in our caucus right now and we're making a hell of a run at this thing, and i think we have a shot to win. i've been making calls for the last three or four days. people have been home with their families over thanksgiving, and people are saying, look, this
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has been a changed election. we want change, and there are a lot of members of congress who now are understanding that we need to make a change. we can't keep running the same place, chris. we're not winning. and winners win and we need to put leaders in place that are going to give us an opportunity to win the house back. we're down 60-some seats since 2010. we have the smallest number in our caucus since 1929. we've got to do something differently. >> congressman ryan, thank you. thanks for coming in and we'll be watching how house democrats vote on wednesday. >> thanks for having me. our power player of the week. once again, i danced with a turkey.
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heritage breeds that trace back to the indians. >> gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble. >> lerner is prmistress of 800 acres. she grew up on a farm in california, making enough from raising cattle to send herself to college. >> what i learned was to love work. i'm really happiest when i'm engaged in working and thinking and striving. >> she got into commuteputers. in 1984 she and her husband got into cisco systems to find a way to network computers, the foundation of the internet. but six years later, venture capital people were running cisco. how do you get fired from a company you started? >> we basically got taken to the cleaners, and part of that is if you don't have an employment contract -- i got fired by the same guy who fired steve jobs.
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>> lerner had a second act. she started a cosmetics company called urban decay, with edgy colors for women like her. and in 1986, she bought the farm. >> it was people who had strived in farming. >> she raises shires, war horses that go back centuries, scotch highland cattle, and those turkeys which she says pay better because of the lives they lead. >> how much does this turkey cost compared to something i would get in the grocery store. >> they're expensive. this year they're running between 160 and $200. >> at that price there are questions about how to make it profitable. but with her determination to make it a sound business, it's not just about the bottom line.
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there is a four h40-room mansio the farm. what's it like living there? >> i don't know. i live in a cabin and a love it. >> do you think you're eccentric? >> i think i'm just weird. >> she grew up on a family farm and she wants to see those values live on. >> i'm a cowgirl. i can tell what cows are thinking. it's very much my success as a farmer which is what george washington was. he wanted to be a really good farmer. and i think i've been -- i've become a good farmer. >> sandy lerner sells more than 800 turkeys this thanksgiving, and she donated more than 200 to local charities. that's it for today. have a great week, and we'll see you next "fox news sunday."
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good morning to you, thanks for joining us, welcome to "mornings on 2" it's sunday, november 27th. >> we have the sunday forecast, coming up in a moment. i think the rain will give us a little break. but first in the headlines, to tell you about, we begin with developing news. in new orleans, a shooting this morning has left several people injured and one person dead >> the shots fired in the popular bourbon street neighborhood. we'll have details for you. >> a wet weekend that has made for treacherous roads out there. >> we have information on a crash that ended up involving a c-h-p vehicle. a y: of accidents around

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